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NewarkGoss

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 3:39 am
Post subject: Two Master Browsers in newly created Mixed Mode NT4-2003 domain.
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We are in-process of upgrading to AD from NT4 and currently in Mixed
Mode. Some how, I now have two computer browser groups. One group has
about 15 machines and the other the balance of about 130. It is a
though these two groups were on two different LANs. There is no
problem with mapping drives between machines in the two groups or
typing a UNC address - apparantly because of DNS and WINS - but certain
things appear to depend on the machines browser list and do not
function correctly. One of these is Veritas Backup Exec - we cannot
select a machine that is not in the media server's computer browser
list (My Network Places.)

All of this started when we added an R2 machine to the domain as a DC
and it seems to insist on being a Master Browser as does the WS2003 EE
non-R2 DC.

So, what can we do to get these two to work together?

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NewarkGoss

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 8:52 am
Post subject: Re: Two Master Browsers in newly created Mixed Mode NT4-2003 domain. [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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For now, let's forget the WAN - the problems I am having are right
here, on this IP subnet.

On this IP subnet, I have (2) WS2003 DCs - one is WS2003 EE (non-R2)
and is the result of an inplace upgrade of the former WSNT4 PDC - the
second is WS2003 SE R2 and is a clean install that was added to the
domain as a DC.

Because there is a WSNT4 DC running at another physical location, the
domain is Mixed-mode NT4/AD.

DNS, WINS and DHCP are running on a non-DC WS2003 EE (non-R2).

The non-R2 DC is in one Master Browser camp and the R2 DC is in the
other. Currently, about half of the systems are in one group, and half
in the other.

I have gone in the registry on all Windows Server OS machines, DC or
not, and set the IsDomainMaster to FALSE and MaintainServerList to No -
except for the R2 DC, which I set to TRUE and Yes. I stopped and
started the Computer Browser service on each - only on the R2 box did
it kept running.

I still have two groups - a W2K or WinXP workstation has become Master
or Backup browsers in the one group and the R2 box is the Master
Browser in the other with some W2K or WinXP boxes in its group as
backup servers.

The WINS server shows all machines.

The browstat status output for the R2 DC looks like this:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Status for domain FOXFIRE on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{7BF57FAC-271C-4546-B69D-98C0277FB821}
Browsing is active on domain.
Master browser name is: DE-FOXFIRE-04
Master browser is running build 3790
3 backup servers retrieved from master DE-FOXFIRE-04
\\DE-CONTROL-01
\\DE-FOXFIRE-04
\\CAFE2000
There are 51 servers in domain FOXFIRE on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{7BF57FAC-271C-4546-B69D-98C0277FB821}
There are 2 domains in domain FOXFIRE on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{7BF57FAC-271C-4546-B69D-98C0277FB821}
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The browstat status output for the non-R2 DC looks like this:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Status for domain FOXFIRE on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{390BAB7F-E63D-4929-B1BC-A896BBD68516}
Browsing is active on domain.
Master browser name is: DE-FLIGHT
Master browser is running build 2195
3 backup servers retrieved from master DE-FLIGHT
\\DE-EST-03
\\DE-EST-02
\\DE-FLIGHT
There are 15 servers in domain FOXFIRE on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{390BAB7F-E63D-4929-B1BC-A896BBD68516}
Unable to retrieve server list from DE-FLIGHT: 64
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

No machine is connected to the LAN with more than one network adapter.

I have tried reversing the settings between these WS2003 DCs, but it
does not help.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 4:30 am
Post subject: Re: Two Master Browsers in newly created Mixed Mode NT4-2003 domain. [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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> I think we can temp shutdown
>
> \\DE-CONTROL-01
>
> \\CAFE2000
>
> to check the result.

Been there and done that - same result - someone new just gets elected
- and when you turn the box back on, it goes back to the same group.

It appears the only way to get a box to change groups is to shutdown
one of the DCs - then, perhaps, other boxes would change groups and, at
worst, be taken out of and put back into the domain - but what happens
when the other DC is turned back on?

The real question is - "How do I get these two WS2003 DCs to share a
browser list?"

Do WS2003 DCs believe they must be the Master Browser of their IP
subnet by nature? Can one only have one DC on a subnet?
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 7:48 am
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Vincent Xu [MSFT] wrote:
> Did you turn off browser service on WS2003 EE (non-R2)?

On 7/26 I posted:
>I have gone in the registry on all Windows Server OS machines, DC or
>not, and set the IsDomainMaster to FALSE and MaintainServerList to No -
>except for the R2 DC, which I set to TRUE and Yes. I stopped and
>started the Computer Browser service on each - only on the R2 box did
>it kept running.

Ok. I got rough. I disconnected the (non-R2) server from the lan. I
shutdown the computer browser service on any machine that showed up as
a Master or Backup Browser in the (non-R2) group. Most workstations
(W2K pro and WinXP pro) have jumped to the other group.

If I leave all these Computer Browser services off, those machines
still in the (non-R2) group report that "browsing is not active on the
domain" when I issue BROWSTAT STATUS from their console and some things
do not function anymore, so I cannot leave it that way. I now have 13
machines in this (non-R2) group. This group now consists of:

2 Windows Server 2000 SE SP1 (non-DC)
1 Windows Server 2003 EE SP1 (non-DC)
2 Windows Server 2003 SE SP1 (non-DC)
1 Windows Server 2003 R2 SE SP1 (non-DC)
4 Windows 2000 Pro SP4
1 Windows NT4 Workstation SP6a

The non-R2 DC is still disconnected.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 1:40 pm
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Vincent Xu [MSFT] wrote:
> Please check if the current DC(R2) is running as PDC emulater. You can check it in
> Active Directory Users and Computers. Right click the DC and select Operation
> Master. Check if PDC is current DC.

There is NO opition called Operations Master - remember, this is a
Mixed-Mode NT4/2003 domain. Also, at this point, the R2 box is the
only WS2003 server with the DC role. Thirdly, this R2 box IS the
master browser in the one computer browser group, it is just there are
two of them.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 7:32 am
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I figured it out! I now have one computer browser list on the IP
subnet!
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